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AG: Pages 15-18 (below) really impacted me. It felt like a sequential description of of how photographs are historicized. I thought about the films of Chris Marker, and then decided to watch Letter from Siberia (1958). It was filled with fake commercials, animation, fantastic documentarian descriptions of obscure towns, and folktales, a deconstruction of newsreel cinematography. Your ‘zine explores photography in a similar way; its method of deconstructing the transference of fact. I’m curious about the inclusion of comics here. How do your own drawings figure into this publication? What function do you feel they claim? Watch an excerpt from Chris Marker's Letter from Siberia>> |
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JB: Oh yeah that seems right, I was pretty focused on the idea of “proof” when I made the 'zine, how photographs do and do not reflect reality or truth, how they are used as evidence to make certain claims. |
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AG: The pastiche in your ‘zine feels like a very classic ‘zine, which is what attracted me to it. You finished this issue in 2014. How long did you work on it? JB: I’m a ride-or-die 'zine maker, cut n’ paster for life. I can’t really remember but I probably worked on it for like a weekend, in terms of the final gluesticks-out stick it all together situation. Usually with this series of 'zines, I just accumulate stuff for like a year and then go wild, often because I have a 'zinefest coming up and I have the classic panic of wanting to have new work for people. |
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AG: In your article “Selfie Control,” in The New Inquiry you write: "Is what inspired the unknown woman to turn her camera toward the mirror similar or the same as what prompts smartphone users to rotate their cameras toward themselves? What limited circulation did her ephemeral snapshot find before it became an artifact? How do we compare this to the reach of the approximately 35 million selfies on Instagram? How do we parse through this transient super-abundance, to locate what “should” be archived, what images will become history? Should we even try?” What is the future of the historical photograph? How does consent figure into this new reality of generating history, even, as you say, ‘in this perplexing landscape of saturation and vacancy?’ JB: Like, what happens to the old-timey historical photograph, or will there be historical photographs in the age of smartphones and overwhelming volume, and digital archiving? The idea of a historically significant photograph has always been bullshit to some extent— even that photograph that I was writing about still mostly just affected me as an artifact, it doesn’t mean anything. And who and what has been featured in historical photographs has always been shaped by race and class anyway. Photographs that were supposed to change history didn’t. Photographs of historically significant moments— those moments would have happened anyway, captured or not. So in terms of significance, photographs continue to be subjective in terms of import. In terms of consent, I guess the question is what the investment is in consent around the photograph, and the implications of that which seem really different depending on what the photograph is of. JB Brager's New Inquiry article, Selfie Control>> |
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AG: What other ‘zines have you been working on lately? JB: Well, there’s a third issue of The Sinew That Shrinks which is all comics and drawings, and a fourth issue on its way, and I’m still working on Doykeit and Eyshet Chayil which are lefty queer Jewish compilation 'zines, and I’m working on turning the syllabus from a class I’m teaching into a 'zine. All the new stuff will hopefully be ready by the New York Feminist Zinefest in the spring. |